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I was going to add that myself, but I wanted to ask first, is there a reason why a subsection stating the objections to swinging should not be included?

Has such an article ever been submitted? If not, surely no-one is obliged to submit such a commentary? Dazzla , 4 January UTC.

I had thought that in the interest of objectivity, at least a subsection should be included why there is opposition to swinging and the "lifestyle".

The two major objections being health safety and moral objection. I'm mearly stating such a subsection is needed to add objectivity to such an article, as is found in others such as pornography , and the subsequent anti-pornography movement subsection in pornography and separate article.

As has already been stated this would require someone to come up with such an article and to be able to justify it with evidence.

Given that safe sex is the default in virtually every swinging club where as it may not be in a drunken trist behind a pub on a Saturday night the sexual health aspect is a suspect comment.

Moral objections are frankly irrelevant as if people aren't hurting anyone else then what is the problem? I thought that it would be best, for the purposes of objectivity, to include a section on objections to the swinger lifestyle.

I tried as best I could simply to state the objections, without any moral connotations both for and against the objections. There should however be a section based on the response to such objections.

I felt it would be best if those accually participating or at least with greater knowledge than I to fill it in. However if I find that a one of us has not come up to with a response to such objections, I will endevor to do further research beyond Wikipeida to search for such answers.

Please feel free to edit as you wish, as the pupose of such a revistion is not to attack a point of view or way of life, but rather to provide the most objective article possible.

In my revisions, I wanted to add a response to the objection of the sacred nature of sexual relations.

However I felt as thought any response I would give would not be an objective response as it would seem from what I have seen and read that swingers would deny this sacred nature of the sexual relationship and so I hesitate to put any response down like I did with the pregnancy objection.

Any response given should be one that answers the objection without insulting the author which is something I fear I may inadvertently do.

I would highly recommend someone in a better position than I response to this in the objection. I didn't want to use an official notice, because I don't want this to get deleted or anyone in trouble.

Bits of Wikipedia are copied by sites everywhere. I wrote parts of this article myself and I know I wrote them here not anywhere else.

I assume this other site is being mentioned here because the owner wants to bump his click count. Low, in my humble opinion. First off, the following seems like ads and discussion, which belong here on the talk page.

One club [4] states "We receive approximately 2 single females requesting to join our club for every single males that request to join our activities We will not take the time to match up single with singles and have only matched up a few couples with 2 singles in the past seven years!

Others disagree that this experience is generally true among swingers. A female member of one club points out, "Where we are, single females are a dime a dozen, but a decent single male is next to impossible to find.

We as a couple would actually prefer a single male for our next encounter. More often than not, I see the single females approaching the couples, and not the other way around.

I've had to turn down several aggressive single females who were quite frankly TOO forward about wanting to play with a couple.

This is simply not true, almost everyone in the lifestyle is seeking single females, the are known as the "unicorns" of the lifestyle.

OK, so "hot wife" got merged in. Do we still need that notice up top? Just curious. If not, let's get rid of it. And also somebody fix the copyright problem before this entire entry gets into trouble!

How do we know that we copied it from them? The date on the root directory of that file says Jan , and this article is older than that.

I think they copied it from us. Inkwell , 10 February UTC. Moved from the top of the page I have changed the clubs in Europe and in America because it is exclusive of the rest of the world and i have found a site that has over 3, worldwide club listings in it that i believe is a more accurate and all inclusive "WORLD" view of swinger clubs.

Unsigned comment. Ok, we'll compromise. I'll change the text so it says "over 3, clubs worldwide," but without the link. The only mention of opponents makes quick dismissal of their views and does not give credibility to anyone who does not agree with the lifestyle.

Also, the "research" uses anecdotal evidence and is not backed by any research I have come across.

How can you measure one couples "happiness" vs another?? Since "happiness" is subjective by nature, how can it possibly be measured and compared?

Urban swinging events include mostly childless, unmarried young graduates and can have average ages as low as the late twenties, whereas ordinary or 'suburban' swingers events tend to have average ages in the 40s.

This is not true and an obvious plug for fever parties, parties of this nature have been going on long before the s see the skin party or the bliss party etc.

This is demographically incorrect, urban swinging for want of a better word probably started in Amsterdam at world famous clubs like fun4two which has been in business for 26 years.

There are over 3, swinging clubs worldwide. Regarding SDC and your removal under the acronym of is just wrong.

Registration No. Type SDC in Google, what do you get? You talk about swingers club and parties but do not reference any, surely people would like to see accurate examples, we have over 50 parties a month worldwide, no other website has this but still you surreptitiously moderate this topic without actually thinking about the benefits of examples.

I am defending SDC because it is a definitive source worldwide for swingers in six different languages and I think people interested in researching swinging would want to know about it, correct me if I am wrong?

The critique of urban swinging among traditional swingers is that it is unethical to discriminate. For example the North American Swing Club Association NASCA does not accept into membership clubs which are not open to all and some couples may advertise themselves as "not Ken and Barbie" as an implicit rejection of what they perceive to be a superficial ideal of youthful physical attractiveness.

If this was true why do i find sites on nasca with descriptions as follow: 1. Exclusive Parties in Luxurious Hotels for L. P LA's exclusive weekly sex parties for sexy young couples and several single women.

Unsigned comment, , 14 February from user Swingers - moved from the main discussion page as it dominated and hid other important topics - Inkwell.

I haven't repeated my comments there. Inkwell , 14 February UTC. This article IS from Wikipedia and has been copied elsewhere and not just by the site mentioned.

I know because I wrote some of it and I wrote it here. Urban swinging involves an actual rather than a notional upper age, minimum looks thresholds and even competitive entry leading to an average age around The events mentioned do not fit into this cateory.

Fun4two is not in Amsterdam it is in Rotterdam, it in no way discriminates as to who can enter. Howling errors like this suggest the writer does not know what he is talking about.

I am often in its chatroom and its clientele appear to be almost exclusively in the UK, the Netherlands and Texas with a few in Spain.

Huge swathes of Europe and the USA are unrepresented let alone the rest of the world. NASCA seem to have changed their policy from the original one which was much more broadly non-discriminatory.

They now focus on racial and national discrimination. However, the sites mentioned are just using marketing language.

They don't actually have competitive entry. While extreme social conservatives read: Religious right, Moral Minority types may have issues with swinging, in the 10 years my wife and I have been doing this, the majority of people we've talked to would qualify as conservatives politically.

This misconception that all conservatives are against swinging needs to be fixed. I myself am very conservative in most respects.

While this is a personal observation, it may have some bearing in the discussion. You may also note that the predominantly liberal Democrat City Council of Indianapolis is directly responsible for attempting to close 2 well known swingers clubs in thier city.

Last month in Canada question aboult legality of on-premise swingers clubs was brought up to Supreme Court. Any lawers whoc will be willing to take on task?

When we travelled to South American country for vocation we were unsure on whenever club is legal there The entire first graf in the history section is NPOV.

Its lone source appears to be an Internet questionnaire dubious to begin with of self-identified swingers, meaning that it had no control group and can't be used to compare characteristics of swingers to non-swingers.

Darcy talk , 1 April UTC. In my experience, just about all swingers clubs allow single males, but only on one or two days of the week. I did a random internet search for swinging clubs and found the same thing: most clubs do "couples only" nights as well as nights where single men are allowed.

Very few clubs exclude single males altogether - they get a lot of money from them. This is true, however, large groups of single males are almost never a welcome commodity.

However, there is a difference between an on-premise club, and a Lifestyle group that organizes parties. Single males are rarely allowed at Lifestyle related parties, though they may be allowed at physical clubs.

The vast majority of off-premise clubs in the South-central and Midwestern United States do not allow single males. Most off-premise clubs in this region are couples only, with some allowing single females sponsored by a couple.

The few on-premise clubs available in the mentioned area allow select, often limited, singles. The larger events often allow all.

Someone has recently added uncited statistics related to STD's and swingers in this article. Namely These figures are preposterous. First of all, the incidence of HPV cannot be measured accurately, even in the regular population due to that fact that the majority of those infected are asymptomatic.

To claim an accurate figure among a different subset of the population is tenuous at best. With regards to herpes, this claim is ludicrous.

I would like to see figures from an objective medical journal that even comes close to this. The claims have been deleted until they can be verified.

Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV. At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives.

By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6. Partners less likely to be infected include those who have had no or few prior sex partners.

HPV infection can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered.

While the effect of condoms in preventing HPV infection is unknown, condom use has been associated with a lower rate of cervical cancer, an HPV-associated disease.

More than half of sexually active young women will be infected with human papilloma virus HPV if they remain sexually active over three years, a UCSF study shows.

That risk is boosted fold with each new partner. HPV is by far the most common sexually transmitted infection.

If the risk is so high among the general population then there the likelyhood of it being even greater among the lifestyle people. There is a common theme among Swingers to gloss over the risks inherent in their actvities, just as sky divers or other high risk people tend to ignore the risk factors in those activities.

This is normal. As HPV can be spread even while wearing a condom, any sexual activity is risky, increasing the number of partners, particularly if those partners have had a large number of partners who have had a large number of partners It might be argued that the general population expecially the casual sex people have essentially the same risk, but this is a flawed analogy.

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Be the first to ask a question about The Swinging Bisexuals. Obviously we're out in the community, they're going to find out. We're happy. And we might have a different marriage than your typical marriage.

But it's okay to be different as long as you're happy, you're a good person, you don't hurt anybody. Reporter: Tonight, Tony and Diana are spending a romantic night on the town with couples who are also in the swinging lifestyle.

What's going on tonight? This is a typical night out for Tony and I. As a woman how do you say, I'm okay with my man talking to somebody else?

I'm okay with my man having sex with another woman? Honestly, it's like I'm bragging. Bragging, like yeah, this is mine and I'm sharing him with you.

But in the end, he's mine. I'm the one that gets to bring him home, I'm the one that gets to have the life with him.

Like, you're going to get a little taste. But he's mine. You don't get jealous anymore after 11 years? She's my wife, I love her very much, I'm protective of her.

We did it together and that makes ups and downs easier for us. Doing it as unit, not as a my fantasy, your fantasy. Even if it was your fantasy, you know, I want to fulfill that for her.

If that's a young year-old guy, I think I have more moves than him still, I think I'm okay. Reporter: These are swingers that mingle in the general public.

Tonight, Tony and Diana are heading to the town's local bar with a couple of swinging friends. What does the evening look like for the two of you?

I think it will just be having a few drinks. We're boring parents most nights. I find that hard to believe.

The two of you, boring parents, come on. We are responsible most of the time. But that doesn't mean that, you know, our eyes are closed to opportunities if they arise.

Eyes are not closed to opportunity? They're never closed to opportunities. Reporter: Over drinks these couples don't care what anyone else thinks.

You guys moving around. It's the best. The birthday party -- I so wanted pictures, you kissed like women? Reporter: Swinging they say has brought them closer together.

You attribute the success of your relationship to swinging? It's hard not to. Because we've been doing it from day one.

So we don't have any other way to compare it to. And again, I say it's because our relationship is good because of the communication. A lot of relationships are lacking that.

We've really got the tools to do that through swinging.

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Communication is definitely important. In fact, I think good communication is a big part the reason why swingers reportedly feel more secure in their relationships.

You simply need to have open communication with your significant other if you are in the lifestyle, so that you can let eachother know when you're ready or not, who you do and don't want to play with, what feels good to you, and what you are comfortable doing.

If you aren't open with eachother, somebody can end up getting very upset very quickly in swinging situations! Also, I would like to say that in my experience, single females are sometimes allowed at gatherings, but it is as the exception to the rule.

Single men seem to be generally forbidden. Like I said, though, these are just some casual comments from what I've seen, so you have another swinger's point of view here to take into consideration if you need it.

I think that many people just find the double standard somewhat curious although it reflects Western societal norms : for most men two chicks are hot, two men are scary.

I don't think we should be surprised that "swingers" reflect the opinion of a large percentage of our society - they just act on it more than guys.

For some reason male-male action is threatening, female-female action is "hot". It's even more curious when you see the sheer numbers of "straight" guys on the Internet looking to hook up with other guys.

The largest lifestyle club in Ontario: Happy Hedonist [1] supports but doesn't actually encourage BiMales. A couple of attempted "special events" failed because of lack of preregistrations.

Most men are afraid to out themselves but the interest is there and the closed room occurences is higher than most would believe or admit to. There is a dedicated BI room on their forums.

My point stands, I think. The largest British swinging website, Swinging Heaven [2] prides itself on openmindedness and tolerance. While everybody's preferences for their sexual partner's race, size, sexuality etc.

I don't know of any UK scene where homophobia would be acceptable. This however does not imply that people want to have sex alongside everyone they are polite to.

It's debateable that Swinging Heaven is the largest British swingers website and if it is that may be because it is free and there is no threshold to entry for timewasters.

Because anyone can post an ad for nothing it is also unlikely to be representative of the people who actually do swing. You can't blame a website which earns its money from the number of clicks it receives from casting its support bases as widely as possible.

That also does not mean that all the site users want to have sex together in the same environment. Nothing in the "Men seeks Men" section of Swinging Heaven suggests these guys want women to be present while they do their stuff.

But the key thing is that Swinging Heaven is only a contact website, not an actual club where people swing. There are around clubs in the UK and if the fact that gay men are treated politely on one website is the best that can be adduced in support of the proprosition that male bisexuality is common and welcome in swinging in Britain, then I think the opposite has been proved.

I agree -- the proof is the policy and the actions of the clubs and club members -- not contact websites.

Bisexual men are very common and well tolerated. The two biggest swingers clubs in the UK both hold very successful Bi-nights.

These bi nights are for fully bisexual couples, and are very well attended by people of all description. Bi males, bi females, TV's, TS's, and transgendered people.

Lanata -- Many members of the polyamorous community differentiate themselves from the swinger lifestyle by putting a greater emphasis on long-term relationships and sites such as [3] will indicate that the "poly group is NOT a contact organization for swingers".

Lots of contact groups aren't contact organisations for swingers. This seems obvious in the extreme. So just because some bisexuals swing, we're surprised that not all bi-positive groups are swingers?

Polyamory and swinging are fundamentally different, but that doesn't mean that they are incompatible. Imagine if the text said "Where heterosexuals are included, motives are often incompatible with other hetero-positive groups.

I'm too new to Wikipedia to go hacking at something with a 'disputed' label, but there should be a link to the Dogging article somewhere, as that's essentially a Subgroup, like 'urban swingers'.

Dogging - This should be added as a subgroup to swinging but unfortunately I don't know enough about it beyond it being both a seperate scene to swinging worthy of its own entry and a scene that intercects sufficiently with swinging to be mentioned as a subgroup.

I have noticed that many pages try to be objective and show both points of view, even those that dispute the article in general. An example would be pornography and the inclustion of a subsection of those agaisnt pornography, as well as an article alone about the anti-pornography movement.

I was going to add that myself, but I wanted to ask first, is there a reason why a subsection stating the objections to swinging should not be included?

Has such an article ever been submitted? If not, surely no-one is obliged to submit such a commentary?

Dazzla , 4 January UTC. I had thought that in the interest of objectivity, at least a subsection should be included why there is opposition to swinging and the "lifestyle".

The two major objections being health safety and moral objection. I'm mearly stating such a subsection is needed to add objectivity to such an article, as is found in others such as pornography , and the subsequent anti-pornography movement subsection in pornography and separate article.

As has already been stated this would require someone to come up with such an article and to be able to justify it with evidence.

Given that safe sex is the default in virtually every swinging club where as it may not be in a drunken trist behind a pub on a Saturday night the sexual health aspect is a suspect comment.

Moral objections are frankly irrelevant as if people aren't hurting anyone else then what is the problem? I thought that it would be best, for the purposes of objectivity, to include a section on objections to the swinger lifestyle.

I tried as best I could simply to state the objections, without any moral connotations both for and against the objections. There should however be a section based on the response to such objections.

I felt it would be best if those accually participating or at least with greater knowledge than I to fill it in. However if I find that a one of us has not come up to with a response to such objections, I will endevor to do further research beyond Wikipeida to search for such answers.

Please feel free to edit as you wish, as the pupose of such a revistion is not to attack a point of view or way of life, but rather to provide the most objective article possible.

In my revisions, I wanted to add a response to the objection of the sacred nature of sexual relations. However I felt as thought any response I would give would not be an objective response as it would seem from what I have seen and read that swingers would deny this sacred nature of the sexual relationship and so I hesitate to put any response down like I did with the pregnancy objection.

Any response given should be one that answers the objection without insulting the author which is something I fear I may inadvertently do.

I would highly recommend someone in a better position than I response to this in the objection. I didn't want to use an official notice, because I don't want this to get deleted or anyone in trouble.

Bits of Wikipedia are copied by sites everywhere. I wrote parts of this article myself and I know I wrote them here not anywhere else.

I assume this other site is being mentioned here because the owner wants to bump his click count. Low, in my humble opinion. First off, the following seems like ads and discussion, which belong here on the talk page.

One club [4] states "We receive approximately 2 single females requesting to join our club for every single males that request to join our activities We will not take the time to match up single with singles and have only matched up a few couples with 2 singles in the past seven years!

Others disagree that this experience is generally true among swingers. A female member of one club points out, "Where we are, single females are a dime a dozen, but a decent single male is next to impossible to find.

We as a couple would actually prefer a single male for our next encounter. More often than not, I see the single females approaching the couples, and not the other way around.

I've had to turn down several aggressive single females who were quite frankly TOO forward about wanting to play with a couple. This is simply not true, almost everyone in the lifestyle is seeking single females, the are known as the "unicorns" of the lifestyle.

OK, so "hot wife" got merged in. Do we still need that notice up top? Just curious. If not, let's get rid of it.

And also somebody fix the copyright problem before this entire entry gets into trouble! How do we know that we copied it from them? The date on the root directory of that file says Jan , and this article is older than that.

I think they copied it from us. Inkwell , 10 February UTC. Moved from the top of the page I have changed the clubs in Europe and in America because it is exclusive of the rest of the world and i have found a site that has over 3, worldwide club listings in it that i believe is a more accurate and all inclusive "WORLD" view of swinger clubs.

Unsigned comment. Ok, we'll compromise. I'll change the text so it says "over 3, clubs worldwide," but without the link. The only mention of opponents makes quick dismissal of their views and does not give credibility to anyone who does not agree with the lifestyle.

Also, the "research" uses anecdotal evidence and is not backed by any research I have come across. How can you measure one couples "happiness" vs another??

Since "happiness" is subjective by nature, how can it possibly be measured and compared? Urban swinging events include mostly childless, unmarried young graduates and can have average ages as low as the late twenties, whereas ordinary or 'suburban' swingers events tend to have average ages in the 40s.

This is not true and an obvious plug for fever parties, parties of this nature have been going on long before the s see the skin party or the bliss party etc.

This is demographically incorrect, urban swinging for want of a better word probably started in Amsterdam at world famous clubs like fun4two which has been in business for 26 years.

There are over 3, swinging clubs worldwide. Regarding SDC and your removal under the acronym of is just wrong. Registration No. Type SDC in Google, what do you get?

You talk about swingers club and parties but do not reference any, surely people would like to see accurate examples, we have over 50 parties a month worldwide, no other website has this but still you surreptitiously moderate this topic without actually thinking about the benefits of examples.

I am defending SDC because it is a definitive source worldwide for swingers in six different languages and I think people interested in researching swinging would want to know about it, correct me if I am wrong?

The critique of urban swinging among traditional swingers is that it is unethical to discriminate. For example the North American Swing Club Association NASCA does not accept into membership clubs which are not open to all and some couples may advertise themselves as "not Ken and Barbie" as an implicit rejection of what they perceive to be a superficial ideal of youthful physical attractiveness.

If this was true why do i find sites on nasca with descriptions as follow: 1. Exclusive Parties in Luxurious Hotels for L.

P LA's exclusive weekly sex parties for sexy young couples and several single women. Unsigned comment, , 14 February from user Swingers - moved from the main discussion page as it dominated and hid other important topics - Inkwell.

I haven't repeated my comments there. Inkwell , 14 February UTC. This article IS from Wikipedia and has been copied elsewhere and not just by the site mentioned.

I know because I wrote some of it and I wrote it here. Urban swinging involves an actual rather than a notional upper age, minimum looks thresholds and even competitive entry leading to an average age around The events mentioned do not fit into this cateory.

Fun4two is not in Amsterdam it is in Rotterdam, it in no way discriminates as to who can enter. Howling errors like this suggest the writer does not know what he is talking about.

I am often in its chatroom and its clientele appear to be almost exclusively in the UK, the Netherlands and Texas with a few in Spain. Huge swathes of Europe and the USA are unrepresented let alone the rest of the world.

NASCA seem to have changed their policy from the original one which was much more broadly non-discriminatory. They now focus on racial and national discrimination.

However, the sites mentioned are just using marketing language. They don't actually have competitive entry. While extreme social conservatives read: Religious right, Moral Minority types may have issues with swinging, in the 10 years my wife and I have been doing this, the majority of people we've talked to would qualify as conservatives politically.

This misconception that all conservatives are against swinging needs to be fixed. I myself am very conservative in most respects. While this is a personal observation, it may have some bearing in the discussion.

You may also note that the predominantly liberal Democrat City Council of Indianapolis is directly responsible for attempting to close 2 well known swingers clubs in thier city.

Last month in Canada question aboult legality of on-premise swingers clubs was brought up to Supreme Court. Any lawers whoc will be willing to take on task?

When we travelled to South American country for vocation we were unsure on whenever club is legal there The entire first graf in the history section is NPOV.

Its lone source appears to be an Internet questionnaire dubious to begin with of self-identified swingers, meaning that it had no control group and can't be used to compare characteristics of swingers to non-swingers.

Darcy talk , 1 April UTC. In my experience, just about all swingers clubs allow single males, but only on one or two days of the week.

I did a random internet search for swinging clubs and found the same thing: most clubs do "couples only" nights as well as nights where single men are allowed.

Very few clubs exclude single males altogether - they get a lot of money from them. This is true, however, large groups of single males are almost never a welcome commodity.

However, there is a difference between an on-premise club, and a Lifestyle group that organizes parties. Single males are rarely allowed at Lifestyle related parties, though they may be allowed at physical clubs.

The vast majority of off-premise clubs in the South-central and Midwestern United States do not allow single males. Most off-premise clubs in this region are couples only, with some allowing single females sponsored by a couple.

The few on-premise clubs available in the mentioned area allow select, often limited, singles. The larger events often allow all.

Someone has recently added uncited statistics related to STD's and swingers in this article. Namely These figures are preposterous. First of all, the incidence of HPV cannot be measured accurately, even in the regular population due to that fact that the majority of those infected are asymptomatic.

To claim an accurate figure among a different subset of the population is tenuous at best. With regards to herpes, this claim is ludicrous.

I would like to see figures from an objective medical journal that even comes close to this. The claims have been deleted until they can be verified.

Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV. At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives.

By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6. Partners less likely to be infected include those who have had no or few prior sex partners.

HPV infection can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered.

While the effect of condoms in preventing HPV infection is unknown, condom use has been associated with a lower rate of cervical cancer, an HPV-associated disease.

More than half of sexually active young women will be infected with human papilloma virus HPV if they remain sexually active over three years, a UCSF study shows.

That risk is boosted fold with each new partner. HPV is by far the most common sexually transmitted infection.

If the risk is so high among the general population then there the likelyhood of it being even greater among the lifestyle people.

There is a common theme among Swingers to gloss over the risks inherent in their actvities, just as sky divers or other high risk people tend to ignore the risk factors in those activities.

This is normal. As HPV can be spread even while wearing a condom, any sexual activity is risky, increasing the number of partners, particularly if those partners have had a large number of partners who have had a large number of partners It might be argued that the general population expecially the casual sex people have essentially the same risk, but this is a flawed analogy.

A person engaged in frequent casual sex may frequently encounter partners who have had few partners. However, in the more open lifestyle community, there is a tendency to have multiple partners and so have each of them.

Recent figures related to condom usage were added without any citation. The majority of them report that condom usage is lacking, and that STDs are once again more prevalent than currently reported.

While this may or may not be true, using statistics without sources is negligent. I have removed them and reverted to previous edit.

I will put them here then, as they should have been in the first place. No link was provided because the poll was done on a swingers website If you question it, please visit [8].

Again, it is a small sample, but representitve of our own experience. As experienced Swingers, and sponsors of a Swingers Social Club, and the poll reflects our experiences.

Regular STD testing consists of a minimum of twice a year. It should be noted that this study, while useful, does not represent the whole of the Swinging community.

It is a small sample of the estimated 3 million Swingers in the United States alone. Please see the discussion page for Inkwell on these questions.

As a swinger, I have been to many parties, clubs, and get-togethers. In my whole experience I have never seen a situation where condoms are not used.

Furthermore, "barebacking" is it is known, is widely looked down upon in the swinging community as dangerous, discourteous, and rude. Though it does occur, it is certainly not the norm.

The lack of condom use is only a problem if not discussed. As with any preference or requirement, communication is key.

That was the first — but not the only — time Paul has engaged in sexual activity with a man. A Pew Research study released earlier this summer found that only 28 percent of self-identified bisexual people are out to their close friends and family.

It is believed that this is a consequence of the culture of biphobia that pervades both straight and gay communities, where bisexual people are perceived as being confused, deceptive, or just plain greedy.

The percentage of out-of-the-closet bisexuals is not equal across gender lines: while 33 percent of self-identified bi women are out, only 12 percent of self-identified bi men can say the same.

While that earlier research negates the lived experiences of bisexual men, it established a stereotype that bi-identified men are secretly gay, a stereotype sometimes even held by the women who date bi men.

And this creates a Catch for people like Paul. Interestingly, the one person to whom Paul has come out as bisexual is his doctor. Shortly after he began playing with men, he had his first STI scare and decided it would be wise to be up-front with his doctor about the genders of all of his regular partners, including the men.

Rather than making him nervous about playing with men in the future, the experience of coming out to his doctor and getting tested has only made Paul become as conscientious about safety and communication with his male partners as he is with his female partners.

Paul is a writer, but he asked me to write this story on his behalf. As out and proud as I am about my bisexual identity in my personal life, I will never ask him to be as open as I am.

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